War & Peace: September 2005 Archives

"Editor..."

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The Cranky Little Old Letter-Writing Lady (CLOLWLTM) strikes again!

Editor -- I think the most significant thing about the protests this weekend was not the crowds at the anti-war marches on Saturday so much as the distinct absence of them at the pro-war rally on Sunday.

How can supporting this war help the troops in any way? It's hard to get excited about a losing cause that was a bad idea in the first place. It's hard to cheer as we close in on a death toll of 2,000 U.S. soldiers and uncounted numbers of Iraqi citizens.

Americans, who at the end of the day do truly value life and freedom, are coming to see that this war is profoundly destructive to these cherished values. Perhaps this is bad news for the 400 die-hard true believers, but it's good news for those who hope for a better future for all, here and abroad.

KATHERINE FALK

Oakland

Meanwhile, that war just gets worse and worse and worse... Sigh...

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law on my own blog...

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I have to admit when I read this article and looked at the pictures, one word floated into my mind.

"Nazis." 

Some links about protests & war

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Sea change?

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Hey, when a New York Times article leads off with "Vast numbers of protesters..." and continues thusly:

"...poured onto the lawns behind the White House over the weekend to demonstrate their opposition to the war in Iraq, pointedly directing their anger at President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney."

something's going on. Good for the country, not so good for BushCheneyCo. 

Oh, and...

Rallies held Saturday in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and other cities drew considerably smaller crowds, but unlike the more varied themes of recent protests against administration policies, antiwar sentiment was consistent throughout.

Yeah, there were pro-war protesters there too.  (What kinds of signs can they really, honestly, hold up? GREED IS GOOD! YAY KILLING!) I hope they're scared s**tless. (Though they shouldn't be... but they'll never come to their senses.)

What we've allowed ourselves to become

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Sick fucks

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 - Three former members of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division say members of their battalion in Iraq routinely beat and abused prisoners in 2003 and 2004 to help gather intelligence on the insurgency and to amuse themselves.

The new allegations, the first involving members of the elite 82nd Airborne, are contained in a report by Human Rights Watch. The 30-page report does not identify the troops, but one is Capt. Ian Fishback, who has presented some of his allegations in letters this month to top aides of two senior Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee, John W. Warner of Virginia, the chairman, and John McCain of Arizona. Captain Fishback approached the Senators' offices only after he tried to report the allegations to his superiors for 17 months, the aides said. The aides also said they found the captain's accusations credible enough to warrant investigation.

An Army spokesman, Paul Boyce, said Friday that Captain Fishback's allegations first came to the Army's attention earlier this month, and that the Army had opened a criminal investigation into the matter, focusing on the division's First Brigade, 504th Parachute Infantry. The Army has begun speaking with Captain Fishback, and is seeking the names of the two other soldiers.

In separate statements to the human rights organization, Captain Fishback and two sergeants described systematic abuses of Iraqi prisoners, including beatings, exposure to extremes of hot and cold, stacking in human pyramids and sleep deprivation at Camp Mercury, a forward operating base near Falluja. Falluja was the site of the major uprising against the American-led occupation in April 2004. The report describes the soldiers' positions in the unit, but not their names.

Interrogators pressed guards to beat up prisoners, and one sergeant recalled watching a particular interrogator who was a former Special Forces soldier beating the detainee himself. "He would always say to us, 'You didn't see anything, right?' " the sergeant said. "And we would always say, 'No, sergeant.' "

One of the sergeants told Human Rights Watch that he had seen a soldier break open a chemical light stick and beat the detainees with it. "That made them glow in the dark, which was real funny, but it burned their eyes, and their skin was irritated real bad," he said.

A second sergeant, identified as an infantry squad leader and interviewed twice in August by Human Rights Watch, said, "As far as abuse goes, I saw hard hitting." He also said he had witnessed how guards would force the detainees "to physically exert themselves to the limit."

Some soldiers beat prisoners to vent their frustrations, one sergeant said, recalling an instance when an off-duty cook showed up at the detention area and ordered a prisoner to grab a metal pole and bend over. "He told him to bend over and broke the guy's leg with a mini-Louisville Slugger that was a metal bat."

Even after the Abu Ghraib scandal became public, one of the sergeants said, the abuses continued. "We still did it, but we were careful," he told the human rights group.

What was that quote I mentioned earlier?

"Red state America doesn't understand what these people are talking about and doesn't want to."

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